Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop 
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 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop
I cannot install AP/DOS on a LAPTOP computer with a PCMCIA diskette unit.
When I try to install the ABS floppy it give me an error.


Tue, 25 Aug 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop


Quote:

>I cannot install AP/DOS on a LAPTOP computer with a PCMCIA diskette unit.
>When I try to install the ABS floppy it give me an error.

What is the error you are getting and what type of PCMCIA card is
installed ?

Is the PCMCIA running an external floppy drive that you are trying to
install from ?
If so are you assigning the correct drive letter ?

If it is another type (modem, network, multi-media) then maybe you can try
booting the system and bypass the loading of the driver for the PCMCIA and
then try installing Pick.  I don't know if that is relevant beacuse I have
loaded AP on a laptop with a PCMCIA and had no problems.

Rich



Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop

Quote:

> I cannot install AP/DOS on a LAPTOP computer with a PCMCIA diskette unit.
> When I try to install the ABS floppy it give me an error.

The diskette unit is an external PCMCIA floppy. It is unit a: and it
works fine with DOS. I can install the system in the pick directory but
when i start pick and it asks me for the first ABS diskette it cannot
find the unit.
If i try to install AP/Pro or AP/NAT in teh same laptop it is not
possible because it cannot find the floppy.


Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop

Quote:


>> I cannot install AP/DOS on a LAPTOP computer with a PCMCIA diskette
unit.
>> When I try to install the ABS floppy it give me an error.

>The diskette unit is an external PCMCIA floppy. It is unit a: and it
>works fine with DOS. I can install the system in the pick directory but
>when i start pick and it asks me for the first ABS diskette it cannot
>find the unit.
>If i try to install AP/Pro or AP/NAT in teh same laptop it is not
>possible because it cannot find the floppy.

My best guess is:  AP has no concept of a PCMCIA floppy drive.  Pick
drivers (if that is what is used) will probably only recognize standard
type floppy controllers.  The reason you would be able to install the
AP/DOS to the Pick directory is that the install program is written for
DOS and DOS knows how to find the floppy attatched to the PCMCIA card.
Once the Pick monitor takes over it no longer recognizes the floppy.
(although I would think that it would still be using the DOS configuration
to access any system component).

Out of curiosity,  can you boot the laptop into DOS from the floppy ?
Does the laptop have a built in floppy ? (probably not - or you would have
used it)
What is the CMOS setup for the floppy (or is it "not installed") ?
What IRQ does the PCMCIA card/floppy use ?  Can it be changed?

I don't know if any of this matters or not.  My thinking was that if any
of those parameters are not "standard" PC settings then Pick probably will
not recognize the drive.


is even possible.

Good Luck !!

Rich Conley
RKC Consulting



Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop

Quote:

>> I cannot install AP/DOS on a LAPTOP computer with a PCMCIA diskette unit.
>> When I try to install the ABS floppy it give me an error.

>The diskette unit is an external PCMCIA floppy. It is unit a: and it
>works fine with DOS. I can install the system in the pick directory but
>when i start pick and it asks me for the first ABS diskette it cannot
>find the unit.
>If i try to install AP/Pro or AP/NAT in teh same laptop it is not
>possible because it cannot find the floppy.

You could try installing it on another computer (make it the bare minimum)
and then back it up and restore it to your laptop (dos backup).  This
should work unless you need access to the same floppy drive to change the
number of files allocated to pick.  In that case you have to get it right
and then back up the whole thing.  I did it this way.  It took an hour or
so using three floppys.  I just kept overwriting them.  With good
compression the majority of an empty database comes thru fine.  

Now if you want to get data onto the PC you may have problems down the
line with t-dump and t-load.  If this is critical I don't think your
Laptop is going to give you what you need.

Good Luck
Andrew Shumway



Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop

writes:

Quote:
>You could try installing it on another computer (make it the bare
minimum)
>and then back it up and restore it to your laptop (dos backup).  This
>should work unless you need access to the same floppy drive to change the
>number of files allocated to pick.  In that case you have to get it right
>and then back up the whole thing.  I did it this way.  It took an hour or
>so using three floppys.  I just kept overwriting them.  With good
>compression the majority of an empty database comes thru fine.  

>Now if you want to get data onto the PC you may have problems down the
>line with t-dump and t-load.  If this is critical I don't think your
>Laptop is going to give you what you need.

>Good Luck
>Andrew Shumway


This is a great idea for AP/DOS !

T-DUMP and T-LOAD process can be done in different ways if you have AP/DOS
v5.2.7.  You could use the C functionality to read and write DOS files
from the hard disk.  Those files could be created using Via-Duct or some
other package.

Rich Conley
RKC Consulting



Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop

Quote:

>> I cannot install AP/DOS on a LAPTOP computer with a PCMCIA diskette unit.
>> When I try to install the ABS floppy it give me an error.
>The diskette unit is an external PCMCIA floppy. It is unit a: and it
>works fine with DOS. I can install the system in the pick directory but
>when i start pick and it asks me for the first ABS diskette it cannot
>find the unit.

Do you have a DOS extended memory mannager (QEMM, EMM386 etc) loaded?
AP/DOS has it's own memory management scheme and does not co-exist
happily with EMMs.
Quote:
>If i try to install AP/Pro or AP/NAT in teh same laptop it is not
>possible because it cannot find the floppy.

That's probably because AP in it's native format does not see the
PCMCIA bus. R83 and most native versions of AP do not see a local bus,
SCSI tape drives, the maths co-processor and I'm betting it doesn't
see PCMCIA either. AP/PRO may see the co-pro, I'm not sure.

Instead of building support for these various devices into PICK
itself, Pick Systems are relying on versions such as AP/DOS, AP/SCO,
AP/AIX etc to handle these hardware devices.

Now that I think of it, this might be the only reason that PICK are
releasing AP/DOS - to enable people to run AP on laptops.

Good luck
Bob Dubery
Johannesburg
South Africa
"You're enterin a non-existent universe.
Consider the consequences"

Clifford Stoll. Silicon Snake Oil



Tue, 01 Sep 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 Problems with AP/DOS and a Laptop

Quote:




>>> I cannot install AP/DOS on a LAPTOP computer with a PCMCIA diskette
>unit.
>>> When I try to install the ABS floppy it give me an error.

>>The diskette unit is an external PCMCIA floppy. It is unit a: and it
>>works fine with DOS. I can install the system in the pick directory
but
>>when i start pick and it asks me for the first ABS diskette it cannot
>>find the unit.
>>If i try to install AP/Pro or AP/NAT in teh same laptop it is not
>>possible because it cannot find the floppy.

>My best guess is:  AP has no concept of a PCMCIA floppy drive.  Pick
>drivers (if that is what is used) will probably only recognize
standard
>type floppy controllers.  The reason you would be able to install the
>AP/DOS to the Pick directory is that the install program is written
for
>DOS and DOS knows how to find the floppy attatched to the PCMCIA card.
>Once the Pick monitor takes over it no longer recognizes the floppy.
>(although I would think that it would still be using the DOS
configuration
>to access any system component).

>Out of curiosity,  can you boot the laptop into DOS from the floppy ?
>Does the laptop have a built in floppy ? (probably not - or you would
have
>used it)
>What is the CMOS setup for the floppy (or is it "not installed") ?
>What IRQ does the PCMCIA card/floppy use ?  Can it be changed?

>I don't know if any of this matters or not.  My thinking was that if
any
>of those parameters are not "standard" PC settings then Pick probably
will
>not recognize the drive.


it
>is even possible.

>Good Luck !!

>Rich Conley
>RKC Consulting

ap/dos monitor read/write the floppy disk using BIOS int13. It is
possible that your hard disk driver intercept the int13 vector and put
the vendor disk driver. If this is the case, the intercept disk driver
must be able to handle the floppy disk section as define in the
standard BIOS. int13 handles both disk and floppy disk request. Both
the ap/native and ap/dos monitor does not use Pick driver to read/write
floppy. Pick probably will need your machine to find out why it does
not work.

Willie Toh - P & S Software



Tue, 01 Sep 1998 03:00:00 GMT
 
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