Faxing from AP/PRO 
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 Faxing from AP/PRO
Happy Holidays to All !

Can anyone recommend a simple (inexpensive) solution for faxing from a small
PC based AP/PRO system?

Any help will be appreciated.

Marc Zitcer



Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO

Marc,
    There are several solutions for faxing from AP-PRO depending upon your
level of expertise and the depth of your wallet. We tried BasicFax several
years ago and found that for an inexpensive solution it did occasionally
work, not too often though. Our next test was with FaxLink Gold. A very
expensive solution but it did work more often than not. Several of our
customers are using Monolith's Desqtop and have a very, very small failure
rate. For what they paid for Desqtop, they should have 100% success each
time.
    Recently we have been using Accuterm to capture the data from our Linux
host and save it as a text file which is easily and cheaply faxed by WinFax
or Microsoft Fax. This, of course takes 2 steps, but it works every time and
costs next to nothing.
    The sad fact is that the programs that work well with AP-PRO are
ridiculously overpriced and not the best quality.

--
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telephone: 561.488.4815
fax......: 561.488.3821
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Quote:

>Happy Holidays to All !

>Can anyone recommend a simple (inexpensive) solution for faxing from a
small
>PC based AP/PRO system?

>Any help will be appreciated.

>Marc Zitcer




Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO


Quote:
> Can anyone recommend a simple (inexpensive) solution for faxing from a small
> PC based AP/PRO system?

Not so long ago, in a prior career phase (5 years worth, give or take),
I was heavily involved in the development and maintenance of a fax
transmission package that centered on a Faxbox device from Data &
Control Equipment (aka DCE).  Theoretically this device can handle
graphic output (eumlating an Epson printer), but in truth the only
sensible means of application from a Pick host is with raw text (with
letterheads/company banners, etc held on chip in the device).  It is a
serial device, and due to the nature of its store-and-forward mode of
operation, the controlling scheduler/transmission software has to be
written as an asynchronous send/receive process - a fun challenge.  If
memory serves, the price was in the 1500 pound sterling range last time
I checked.  EPROM graphics sets are an additional cost.

Alternatively you can attempt to base your operation on something like
Termite and Winfax, using DDE calls.  This was the direction the project
took shortly before I left, but due to problems with Termite's memory
management at the time (long-since fixed, I understand) the project was
not completed during my time.  These days I'm reticent to recommend
Termite/Hostaccess given the rather inflated cost.

Can't comment on bolt-on packages for Pick, never having used any.
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Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO
I'll toss my vote in for Monolith's DesqTop package. We use it and
only on occasion do I have problems with fax machines. The only
suggestion is; put it on an IBM com port, don't use intelligent serial
or some kind of port server.

   Glen aka Ryengoth

http://members.xoom.com/Ryengoth/pick/

Quote:

> Happy Holidays to All !

> Can anyone recommend a simple (inexpensive) solution for faxing from a small
> PC based AP/PRO system?

> Any help will be appreciated.

> Marc Zitcer




Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO

Quote:
>I'll toss my vote in for Monolith's DesqTop package. We use it
and
>only on occasion do I have problems with fax machines. The only
>suggestion is; put it on an IBM com port, don't use intelligent
serial
>or some kind of port server.

We use Desqtop with excellent success.  The environment is an
RS6000/R24 with AIX 4.2.1, D3 7.1 and SB+ 3.3.2.  Desqtop was a
given because the software house that wrote the package we are
using had integrated it into their applications for faxing.  It
works quite well and offers a lot more than just faxing.  The
routines for integrating fax and e-mail functions into your
Basic programs are very easy to use.  We have three fax modems
at three physical locations.  (If the store in Wyoming wants to
fax their lunch order to the deli across the street, there's no
sense sending it long distance from Indiana!)  They are
connected on 16-port RAN boxes on the 128-port serial cards.

One other factor is the EXCELLENT customer support from
Monolith.  Anytime I have had a question, they have responded
with a unique combination of speed, courtesy and accurate
knowledge.

===========================================================

===========================================================
Real programmers don't write application programs, they
program right down on the bare metal. Application programming
is for feebs who can't do systems programming.
===========================================================



Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO

Quote:

> Happy Holidays to All !

> Can anyone recommend a simple (inexpensive) solution for faxing from a small
> PC based AP/PRO system?

> Any help will be appreciated.

> Marc Zitcer


Here's how I did it:
I have a windows terminal emulator, wIntegrate, which allows me to write
DOS text files to disk and issue DDE commands to other windows
applications.

So...step 1: Run some basic code on the Pick box which creates a local
text file on drive c:\ containing the material you wish to fax. In my
case I create purchase orders from the Pick box and stick 'em on disk as
PONumber.txt.

Step 2: Send DDE commands to WinFax Pro (network version) to send the
.txt file as an attachment to a vendor whose name and fax number are in
the Pick database.

Operation done. All the operator had to do was tell the app which po
number to send. All other data comes directly from the database.

As I recall, WinFax Pro client side is about 80 bucks (USD) per seat. I
believe I paid about $130 for the network server. All workstations in
the building talk to the network server whether faxes are created by
Pick or by the normal means.

Hope this helps.
Terry Pennington



Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO
How expensive is Monolith's package and maintenance? At one point, you *HAD*
to pay their annual fee or the software stopped working - it was more or a
lease... and it wasn't cheap! I haven't looked at it since - has that
changed, or have the economics changed?
Quote:



>>I'll toss my vote in for Monolith's DesqTop package. We use it
>and
>>only on occasion do I have problems with fax machines. The only
>>suggestion is; put it on an IBM com port, don't use intelligent
>serial
>>or some kind of port server.

>We use Desqtop with excellent success.  The environment is an
>RS6000/R24 with AIX 4.2.1, D3 7.1 and SB+ 3.3.2.  Desqtop was a
>given because the software house that wrote the package we are
>using had integrated it into their applications for faxing.  It
>works quite well and offers a lot more than just faxing.  The
>routines for integrating fax and e-mail functions into your
>Basic programs are very easy to use.  We have three fax modems
>at three physical locations.  (If the store in Wyoming wants to
>fax their lunch order to the deli across the street, there's no
>sense sending it long distance from Indiana!)  They are
>connected on 16-port RAN boxes on the 128-port serial cards.

>One other factor is the EXCELLENT customer support from
>Monolith.  Anytime I have had a question, they have responded
>with a unique combination of speed, courtesy and accurate
>knowledge.

>===========================================================

>===========================================================
>Real programmers don't write application programs, they
>program right down on the bare metal. Application programming
>is for feebs who can't do systems programming.
>===========================================================



Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO
You still have to pay the annual service charge for the software.
It's not too expensive, but not cheap either. You have to pay per #
users annually and I think it's like $35 per user. Don't quote
me on it though.

Monolith Corp: http://www.monolith.com

     Glen aka Ryengoth

 http://members.xoom.com/Ryengoth/pick/

Quote:

> How expensive is Monolith's package and maintenance? At one point, you *HAD*
> to pay their annual fee or the software stopped working - it was more or a
> lease... and it wasn't cheap! I haven't looked at it since - has that
> changed, or have the economics changed?



Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 Faxing from AP/PRO
I have used Desqtop successfully in several installations.  It is easy and
cheap.  Several people in cdp think otherwise, but for all that Desqtop does
it is a bargain.  IMHO! Anyone who thinks it is expensive should needs to go
work in a Windows shop with Exchange or Notes and find how how expensive
email and faxing is to everyone else.

Here is a detailed explanation of how I implemented faxing in a couple of
hours using Desqtop.  I implement my laser printer forms using calls to
routines to print 'at' locations on the form.   Below is a routine that
implements the 'print at' function from the laser forms into a text array of
60 lines by 80 columns.  The advantage is that with the editor, I just
replaced the calls to the laser print at subroutine with the calls to
FAX.PRINTAT and I was 95% there.

 IF RSP='FAX' ! RSP='fax' THEN
*
*  validate the user to the FDQ.USER file to prevent the complete messages
from
*  disappearing
*
   OPEN '','FDQ.USER' TO FDQ.USER THEN
     READV CHK FROM FDQ.USER, TPS.USER,1 ELSE
       MSG='User "':TPS.USER:'" is not defined in DESQTOP, may not AutoFax'
       CALL TPS.ERRMSG(ERR,MSG,1,0)
       GO 99500
     END
   END
   IF POF.ITEM<POF.PLACED.DATE.AMC>="" THEN
     CALL DP142.PORDER.FAX
     CALL TPS.REFORMAT
     GO 99540
   END ELSE
     CALL TPS.ERRMSG(ERR,('ERROR - You may not re-fax a PO that has a placed
date')[1,79],3,0)
     GO 99500
   END
 END

 TO.PERSON='Customer Service'
 TO.COMPANY=MF.ITEM<MF.NAME.AMC>
 FROM.PERSON=SYSTEM(19)
 FROM.COMPANY='Your Company'
 PROGRESS.ACCT='DPH'
 PROGRESS.FILE='PO.NOTES.FILE'
 PROGRESS.ITEM=POF.ID
 FAX.SUBJECT='Purchase Order Number ':POF.ID
 FAX.TELEPHONE=MF.ITEM<MF.FAX.AMC>
 FAX.PRIORITY='I'
 ADD.HEADER=0
 USER.ID=SYSTEM(19)
 ERROR.CONDITION=''
 IF PO.MSG # "" THEN
   MAX=DCOUNT(FAX.ITEM,AM)
*
*  delete the extra lines off the end of the fax
*
   NO.MORE.BLANKS=0
   FOR INDX=MAX TO 1 STEP -1 UNTIL NO.MORE.BLANKS
     IF TRIM(FAX.ITEM<INDX>)="" THEN
       FAX.ITEM=DELETE(FAX.ITEM,INDX)
     END ELSE
       NO.MORE.BLANKS=1
     END
   NEXT INDX
   FAX.ITEM=FAX.ITEM:AM:AM:AM:'     ********** P U R C H A S E   O R D E R
C O M M E N T S **********':AM:AM:PO.MSG
*
*  now update the purchase order note with message that was attached
*
   READ PO.NOTE.ITEM FROM PO.NOTES.FILE, POF.ID ELSE PO.NOTE.ITEM=''
   PO.NOTE.ITEM=PO.NOTE.ITEM:AM:AM:'Message attached to FAX sent on
':TIMEDATE():' ':LEN(FAX.ITEM):AM:PO.MSG
   WRITE PO.NOTE.ITEM ON PO.NOTES.FILE, POF.ID
 END
 CALL
FAX.SUB(TO.PERSON,TO.COMPANY,FROM.PERSON,FROM.COMPANY,PROGRESS.ACCT,PROGRESS
.FILE,PROGRESS.ITEM,FAX.SUBJECT,FAX.TELEPHONE,FAX.PRIORITY,FAX.ITEM,ADD.HEAD
ER,USER.ID,ERROR.CONDITION)

 SUBROUTINE FAX.PRINTAT(FAX.ITEM,FAX.COL,FAX.ROW,FAX.TEXT)
*
$INCLUDE DECKS SYSTEM.SUB.COMMON
*
*INSERT THE TEXT INTO THE FAX ITEM AT COLUMN AND ROW
*
 IF LEN(FAX.TEXT) > 79 THEN FAX.TEXT=FAX.TEXT[1,79]
*
 IF NUM(FAX.COL) AND NUM(FAX.ROW) THEN
   IF FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW>="" THEN
     FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW>=SPACE(79)
   END
   IF FAX.COL + LEN(FAX.TEXT) > 79 THEN
     FAX.TEXT=FAX.TEXT[1,(79-FAX.COL)]
   END
*

FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW>=FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW>[1,FAX.COL-1]:FAX.TEXT:FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW>[
FAX.COL+LEN(FAX.TEXT),99]
*
 END
*
 RETURN
*

 SUBROUTINE FAX.LINE(FAX.ITEM,FAX.COL1,FAX.ROW1,FAX.COL2,FAX.ROW2)
*
 $INCLUDE DECKS SYSTEM.SUB.COMMON
 EQU VERTICAL.BAR.CHAR TO CHAR(196)
 EQU HORIZONTAL.BAR.CHAR TO CHAR(196)
*
 IF FAX.COL1=FAX.COL2 THEN
*
*  draw a vertical line
*
   FOR INDX.ROW=FAX.ROW1 TO FAX.ROW1

FAX.ITEM<INDX.ROW>=FAX.ITEM<INDX.ROW>[1,FAX.COL1-1]:VERTICAL.BAR.CHAR:FAX.IT
EM<INDX.ROW>[FAX.COL1+1,99]
   NEXT INDX.ROW
 END ELSE
   IF FAX.ROW1=FAX.ROW2 THEN
*
*    draw a horizontal line
*
     TEST=FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW1>

FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW1>=FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW1>[1,FAX.COL1-1]:STR(HORIZONTAL.BAR.CHAR,
((FAX.COL2-FAX.COL1)+1)):FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW1>[FAX.COL2+1,99]
     ROW.LEN=LEN(FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW1>)
     IF ROW.LEN#79 THEN
       TEST2=FAX.ITEM<FAX.ROW1>
     END
   END
 END
*
 RETURN

Quote:
>Can anyone recommend a simple (inexpensive) solution for faxing from a
small
>PC based AP/PRO system?

>Any help will be appreciated.

>Marc Zitcer




Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:00:00 GMT
 
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