Older Informix versions on RH 7.2 
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 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

I've been able to play with the newer RedHat 7.2 . . .. much nicer install.  

Only problem is that my 4GL version (7.20.ud7) doesn't work anymore.  After a little research I found that the egcs-compat modules
are for glibc2.1.  I remember that the 4GL version needed the compiler to be based on glibc 2.0.  I only see a few options available
at this point.

1.     Get the newer 4gl version -- on a temporary (evaulation) basis.  Only problem is that it wouldn't be permanent.
2.     Unload the current compatibility package and replace with glibc 2.0 -- I'm not sure what side effects that would have.
3.     Convert the older compatibility RPM package into a TAR file and install it that way -- wouldn't be able to uninstall it and
still not sure what side effects that it would have.

Any ideas out there?  The best idea would be to allow for a single-user development license, but I'm not holding my breath.

--------------------------------
John Carlson
Informix DBA
EDS/WHSmith USA

#include std_disclaimer.h     /* These are my opinions, not my company's opinion  */



Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:48:00 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:

> 1.  Get the newer 4gl version -- on a temporary (evaulation) basis.
>     Only problem is that it wouldn't be permanent.
> 2.  Unload the current compatibility package and replace with glibc
>     2.0 -- I'm not sure what side effects that would have.
> 3.  Convert the older compatibility RPM package into a TAR file and
>     install it that way -- wouldn't be able to uninstall it and still
>     not sure what side effects that it would have.

> Any ideas out there?  The best idea would be to allow for a
> single-user development license, but I'm not holding my breath.

For me, I got 4gl-7.2 for free when I bought ids-7.30.uc5 for $99.
Then Intraware offered to sell me 4gl-7.3 for almost five large
("three license minimum" bullshit when I'm a one-man shop)!!

You'll be wanting the 5.2 compat-* packages from any RHL 6.x release.
But you'll need to convert the rpm files to tar files before
installing them because RedHat screwed up in namimg the compat
packages and so rpm thinks that compat-*-6.2* is an upgrade to
compat-*-5.2* (which it isn't)!

Or, if you ask me nicely, I'd tar it up and email it to you (since
there is a small bug in the compat linking script that will cause it
to link against the wrong libraries, and I have it fixed on my
system)...

Then you'll need to set INFORMIXC=i386-glibc20-linux-gcc in your
environment.

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Sat, 17 Jul 2004 06:26:24 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:

> I've been able to play with the newer RedHat 7.2 . . .. much nicer install.

> Only problem is that my 4GL version (7.20.ud7) doesn't work anymore.  After a little research I found that the egcs-compat modules
> are for glibc2.1.  I remember that the 4GL version needed the compiler to be based on glibc 2.0.  I only see a few options available
> at this point.

> 1.     Get the newer 4gl version -- on a temporary (evaulation) basis.  Only problem is that it wouldn't be permanent.
> 2.     Unload the current compatibility package and replace with glibc 2.0 -- I'm not sure what side effects that would have.
> 3.     Convert the older compatibility RPM package into a TAR file and install it that way -- wouldn't be able to uninstall it and
> still not sure what side effects that it would have.

> Any ideas out there?  The best idea would be to allow for a single-user development license, but I'm not holding my breath.

> --------------------------------
> John Carlson
> Informix DBA
> EDS/WHSmith USA

> #include std_disclaimer.h     /* These are my opinions, not my company's opinion  */

I had a simlar problem with Informix 9.20 uc1 (oninit took a segfault) and I finally got to work by installing the latest version of
the SDK (currently 2.70).


Sat, 17 Jul 2004 06:34:41 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:

>> 1.  Get the newer 4gl version -- on a temporary (evaulation) basis.
>>     Only problem is that it wouldn't be permanent.
>> 2.  Unload the current compatibility package and replace with glibc
>>     2.0 -- I'm not sure what side effects that would have.

>> 3.  Convert the older compatibility RPM package into a TAR file and
>>     install it that way -- wouldn't be able to uninstall it and still
>>     not sure what side effects that it would have.

>> Any ideas out there?  The best idea would be to allow for a
>> single-user development license, but I'm not holding my breath.

>For me, I got 4gl-7.2 for free when I bought ids-7.30.uc5 for $99.
>Then Intraware offered to sell me 4gl-7.3 for almost five large
>("three license minimum" bullshit when I'm a one-man shop)!!

That's when I got my 7.2 4gl also .  .

Quote:
>You'll be wanting the 5.2 compat-* packages from any RHL 6.x release.
>But you'll need to convert the rpm files to tar files before
>installing them because RedHat screwed up in namimg the compat
>packages and so rpm thinks that compat-*-6.2* is an upgrade to
>compat-*-5.2* (which it isn't)!

Correct again . . . . I didn't know if it would cause problems elsewhere in my Redhat system.

Quote:
>Or, if you ask me nicely, I'd tar it up and email it to you (since
>there is a small bug in the compat linking script that will cause it
>to link against the wrong libraries, and I have it fixed on my
>system)...

Please . . .. pretty please?

Quote:
>Then you'll need to set INFORMIXC=i386-glibc20-linux-gcc in your
>environment.

Correct.

Brings me to another point.  Do you know of anything in the works that would give us a 'personal development' edition?

--------------------------------
John Carlson
Informix DBA
EDS/WHSmith USA

#include std_disclaimer.h     /* These are my opinions, not my company's opinion  */



Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:18:19 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:

> Please . . .. pretty please?

Oh, ok...   ;)

Quote:
> Brings me to another point.  Do you know of anything in the works
> that would give us a 'personal development' edition?

I wrote IIUG several moons ago and asked them to bring it up to IBM at
the November converence.  They wrote back and said they would.  Never
heard anything after that.

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Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:25:46 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2
I, Rob Vorbroker, ex-IIUG BoD member, brought it up at the Conference in
October and have started and argued a thread on the subject in the IIUG
Advisory Committee.  However the IIUG does not control this IBM does.  Will
it ever happen?  Will it be SE, Online 5.x or something more Current (ids
7.3 or 9.x)?  I don't have a crystal ball - do you?  I believe one (a PE
edition and Development Toolkit) are not only needed but VITAL assuming IBM
wants to continue the product line.  If they are just going to leverage
existing licenses until DB2 can replace IDS functionality, etc. - well it
may never happen.

Putting my time and efforts elsewhere...

Rob Vorbroker


Quote:

> > Please . . .. pretty please?

> Oh, ok...   ;)

> > Brings me to another point.  Do you know of anything in the works
> > that would give us a 'personal development' edition?

> I wrote IIUG several moons ago and asked them to bring it up to IBM at
> the November converence.  They wrote back and said they would.  Never
> heard anything after that.

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Sun, 18 Jul 2004 05:49:21 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

It works !
Many, many thanks for your valuable assistance, I had wasted
hours and hours trying to get the 4gl compiler to work.

..Now I just need to get a web interface to SE working in the
same environment to complement the 4gl's for extranet access.

Which is best/easiest to get working ; PHP or Perl ?
Do you have either of these working in the same environment ?

RH7.2 installs Perl and PHP from std but it appears neither
will recognise any commands to access the Informix DB.
I understand that a re-compile of these may be necessary to
include flags or modules for Informix, but cannot even locate
the base installs to check or confirm the configuration options.
Any help would be most appreciated.

Quote:
-----Original Message-----


Sent: 28 January 2002 22:26

Subject: Re: Older Informix versions on RH 7.2


> 1.  Get the newer 4gl version -- on a temporary (evaulation) basis.
>     Only problem is that it wouldn't be permanent.
> 2.  Unload the current compatibility package and replace with glibc
>     2.0 -- I'm not sure what side effects that would have.

> 3.  Convert the older compatibility RPM package into a TAR file and
>     install it that way -- wouldn't be able to uninstall it and still
>     not sure what side effects that it would have.

> Any ideas out there?  The best idea would be to allow for a
> single-user development license, but I'm not holding my breath.

For me, I got 4gl-7.2 for free when I bought ids-7.30.uc5 for $99.
Then Intraware offered to sell me 4gl-7.3 for almost five large
("three license minimum" bullshit when I'm a one-man shop)!!

You'll be wanting the 5.2 compat-* packages from any RHL 6.x release.
But you'll need to convert the rpm files to tar files before
installing them because RedHat screwed up in namimg the compat
packages and so rpm thinks that compat-*-6.2* is an upgrade to
compat-*-5.2* (which it isn't)!

Or, if you ask me nicely, I'd tar it up and email it to you (since
there is a small bug in the compat linking script that will cause it
to link against the wrong libraries, and I have it fixed on my
system)...

Then you'll need to set INFORMIXC=i386-glibc20-linux-gcc in your
environment.

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Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:57:54 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2
Quote:
----- Original Message -----

| It works !
| Many, many thanks for your valuable assistance, I had wasted
| hours and hours trying to get the 4gl compiler to work.
|
| ..Now I just need to get a web interface to SE working in the
| same environment to complement the 4gl's for extranet access.
|
| Which is best/easiest to get working ; PHP or Perl ?
| Do you have either of these working in the same environment ?
|

I have running linux/apache/php/csdk to Informix (for extranet access)
and linux/php/dbi/dbd/informix just for fun.

Both are easy to get working, wich one is better for you to get programming?

| RH7.2 installs Perl and PHP from std but it appears neither
| will recognise any commands to access the Informix DB.
| I understand that a re-compile of these may be necessary to
| include flags or modules for Informix, but cannot even locate
| the base installs to check or confirm the configuration options.
| Any help would be most appreciated.
|

Check CDI archives are many threads for configuring apache/php.

Was easier for to remove the std RPM (apache-*, php-*) included with RH,
download the source tarball, do the ./configure and make with the flags to
include the informix libraries.



Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:47:05 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

| It works !
| Many, many thanks for your valuable assistance, I had wasted
| hours and hours trying to get the 4gl compiler to work.
|
| ..Now I just need to get a web interface to SE working in the
| same environment to complement the 4gl's for extranet access.
|
| Which is best/easiest to get working ; PHP or Perl ?
| Do you have either of these working in the same environment ?
|

BTW: have noticed the i4gl spash screen is slightly mis-aligned, although
seems to compile 4gl's ok. Could this be termcap problem ? Does it need
different one to SQL which works ok, or maybe something to do with runtime ?

Quote:
>I have running linux/apache/php/csdk to Informix (for extranet access)
>and linux/php/dbi/dbd/informix just for fun.
>Both are easy to get working, wich one is better for you to get

programming?

I am happy programming with both and having both would be best solution as
each offers specific benefits in this context, so would like both PHP and
Perl.

| RH7.2 installs Perl and PHP from std but it appears neither
| will recognise any commands to access the Informix DB.
| I understand that a re-compile of these may be necessary to
| include flags or modules for Informix, but cannot even locate
| the base installs to check or confirm the configuration options.
| Any help would be most appreciated.
|

Quote:
>Check CDI archives are many threads for configuring apache/php.
>Was easier for to remove the std RPM (apache-*, php-*) included with RH,
>download the source tarball, do the ./configure and make with the flags to
>include the informix libraries.

I was afraid of that, not wanting to risk breaking the installed Apache/PHP
and Perl which are already running Intranet apps ok. I think best will clone
the HD and then give it a try. Do I need to remove all Apache,PHP and Perl ?
Does it matter which order they are removed/re-installed (PHP/Perl)?
Is it ok to re-install all latest versions in RH7.2 or will need to find
same
to avoid any compat issues ?


Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:27:46 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:
> I, Rob Vorbroker, ex-IIUG BoD member, brought it up at the Conference in
> October and have started and argued a thread on the subject in the IIUG
> Advisory Committee.  However the IIUG does not control this IBM does.  Will
> it ever happen?  Will it be SE, Online 5.x or something more Current (ids
> 7.3 or 9.x)?  I don't have a crystal ball - do you?  I believe one (a PE
> edition and Development Toolkit) are not only needed but VITAL assuming IBM
> wants to continue the product line.  If they are just going to leverage
> existing licenses until DB2 can replace IDS functionality, etc. - well it
> may never happen.

> Putting my time and efforts elsewhere...

I do thank you for your effort.  I, too, feel your frustration at IBM.
I've felt all along that IBM will do with Informix exactly what
Informix did with that commercial Ingres company they bought (whose
name I've already forgotten): {*filter*}ize it for it's technology.

"Resistance is futile.  Informix will be adapted to service... us."
                                                      -- IBM of Borg

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Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:25:14 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:

> Which is best/easiest to get working ; PHP or Perl ?
> Do you have either of these working in the same environment ?

No, sorry.  Not with Informix.  I'd probably go PostgreSQL
if I wanted a Linux supported PHP/Perl/db combination.

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Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:28:55 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Thank you, but change to PostgreSQL, I think, not viable ...
I have 4gl users on the Informix database accessing via telnet
and even some dumb terminals.  I need to extend access to this
DB to Intranet and Extranet users via web browser and replicate
some of the 4gl functions in that environment using Perl, PHP,
CGI or a mixture of them all.
Maybe Java is the answer, but I've no experience of it ... yet.
Any helpful comments and suggestions are much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Quote:
-----Original Message-----


Sent: 01 February 2002 08:29

Subject: Re: Older Informix versions on RH 7.2


> Which is best/easiest to get working ; PHP or Perl ?
> Do you have either of these working in the same environment ?

No, sorry.  Not with Informix.  I'd probably go PostgreSQL
if I wanted a Linux supported PHP/Perl/db combination.

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Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:39:50 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:

> > I, Rob Vorbroker, ex-IIUG BoD member, brought it up at the Conference in
> > October and have started and argued a thread on the subject in the IIUG
> > Advisory Committee.  However the IIUG does not control this IBM does.
Will
> > it ever happen?  Will it be SE, Online 5.x or something more Current
(ids
> > 7.3 or 9.x)?  I don't have a crystal ball - do you?  I believe one (a PE
> > edition and Development Toolkit) are not only needed but VITAL assuming
IBM
> > wants to continue the product line.  If they are just going to leverage
> > existing licenses until DB2 can replace IDS functionality, etc. - well
it
> > may never happen.

> > Putting my time and efforts elsewhere...

> I do thank you for your effort.  I, too, feel your frustration at IBM.
> I've felt all along that IBM will do with Informix exactly what
> Informix did with that commercial Ingres company they bought (whose
> name I've already forgotten): {*filter*}ize it for it's technology.

> "Resistance is futile.  Informix will be adapted to service... us."
>                                                       -- IBM of Borg

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, ASSIMILATION INEVITABLE?

IBM Borg :-{

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Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:20:00 GMT
 Older Informix versions on RH 7.2

Quote:

> Thank you, but change to PostgreSQL, I think, not viable ...

Ah!  I had assumed you were starting something new...

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Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:19:55 GMT
 
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